Bob’s Great Great Grandparents:
The Karl Hartman Family ca 1867 [say 1870]
Anna is third from right in black – Koestler
photo courtesy of Alison Wachstein
note from Joan –The story is that the picture was taken in two shots, so the siblings could wear the same dress.
another note from Jeffrey Perls — One anecdote is that the photographer thought the family did not look rich enough so he painted rings on their fingers to add the appearance of wealth.
On the back of original picture owned by Ruth Pollak Lasser of White Plains is written; Taken in NY abt. 1866. Missing is Sophie Popper who was married and living abroad until 1880.
(I’m not sure who wrote all this-my ggrandmother?.)
The order of people in the picture is from left to right: Katie Schalle; Theresa Proops; Barney; Julia Levy; Karl, Jacob and Eva; Josephine Lederer; Caroline Weiss [really Anna Weiss]; Bertha Leffler; Anna Weiskopf [that is Caroline Weiskopf]
(that is how it is written.)
Now we know that Karl and Eva and family emigrated to NYC! Perhaps we can find more records.
Was “Chitenhaven” in NY?
12 Sept. 1843 in Drosau (Strazov) Carl Hartman 1st son of Teinitzel familiant Moses Hartman from Beschin no. 30 and Theresia born Weil from nemischal (Tabor region) 26 years single married Eva daughter of Bistritz familiant Benedikt Stadler and Katharina born Fleischman from Drosau in German original (Strazov in Czech) 3, 20 years single.
notice: they do not belong to Drosau but to Beschin, Teinitzel dominion.
date and no. of consens: 17.8.1843, 39078
consens valid for Teinitzel dominion.
Karl Hartman was born 1817 in Bieschin, Bohemia in German original (Besiny, Klatovy in Czech). His occupation was house-to-house salesman. 1880 census worked at liquor store; Death Certificate “Merchant” [We know he is who died in Manhatten in 1893. – we haven’t determined what “Chitenhaven” in 1868 is all about.] Age on March 17, 1893 at time of death was 76 years, 3 weeks. This places his date of birth approximately Feb 25, 1817.
.Eva Adele (Elizabeth Adelheit) Stadler b: May 1823 in Strazov #3, Bohemia m: September 12, 1843 in Strazov d: February 10, 1892 in Manhattan, NY Fact 1: Lived in Bieschin after Marriage; Emigrated 1869 Fact 2: 1880 census-paralyzed; Cause of Death Paralysis Agitaris; Chronic Bronchitis; Pulmonary Collapse Fact 3: Place of Residence at Death: 431 E. 86th St. NY (Tenement) Fact 4: Buried Linden Hill Cemetery, Queens, NY
Eva Hartman’s death certificate from the NY Archives. transcribed by Joan
The copy is very poor, Date of death: February 10, 1892 about 6 o’clock AM
Chief Cause: Paralysis Agitaris (sp?) ; Chronic Bronchitis; Contribution Cause: Pulmonary Collapse
Buried; Linden Hill Cemetery, February 12 1892 (Same as Sophie Hartman Popper and family)
Age 68 years 9 months ( Confirms May 1823 DOB)
Married (Karl alive 1892) Birthplace: Bohemia
How long in US; resident of NYC (Very hard to read but looks like 24 years-)
Father: Ben Stadler, born Bohemia; Mother: Kati Stadler, born Bohemia
Place of Death and last residence; 431 East 86th St; Tenement
Charles Hartman’s death certificate from the NY Archives – from the original
Date of death: March 17, 1893 about 9 o’clock AM
Age: 76 years 3 weeks – widower
How long in US: looks like 26 years changed to 24 years
How long resident of New York City: 24 years
Father: Moses L Hartman, born Bohemia
Mother: Therese H, born Bohemia
Place of Last Residence and death: 1481 Ave A
Type of Dwelling: Tenement
Direct cause of death: “Marasmus Senilis”
Burial: Linden Hill Cemetery – 19 March 1893
Children of Karl Hartman and Eva Adele Stadler:
1. Sophie Hartman 10 Nov 1844 Bieschin, Bohemia – 27 June 1914 New York City
married Marcus Popper 28 July 1834 – 14 Feb 1917 emig. 1881
ancestors of Joan Pollak
2. Bertha Hartman 24 March 1846 Bieschin, Bohemia – aft 1920 NYC
Adele knew this aunt she lived Manhattan –Resided on 10th St. in NY; 1920 Resided E. 89th Fact 3: 1920 listed as mother-in-law Edward Marx; Belle; (parents) Herbert; Beatrice Fact 4: Age 56 (abt 1944) 1900 census
married ca 1867 John Leffler Mar 1844 Austria – 1914 NY
Received Naturalization Papers after fighting in the Civil War –
A founding member of Central Synagogue – Buried in Linden Hill Cemetery –
3. Caroline (Karolina) Hartman 13 Feb 1848 Boeschin #30 –
married Moritz Weiskopf (Whitehead)
4. Anna Hartman 21 March 1850 – 1920 ancestors of Bob Koestler
married ca 1871 Jacob Weiss 1850 – 1939 emig 1855
5. Katharina (Katie) Hartman 16 June 1851 Bieschin –
1880 Cenus Sixth Street; 1910 W. 187th St.
married Herman Schallek 1850 Bohemia –
lived 6th Street 1880 and he is a truck driver;
1910 lived Manhattan West 187th St.
6. Bernhardt/Bernard (Barney) Hartman 30 Aug 1852 Boeschin #30 –
1880 Liquor Dealer; Resided 543 52nd St. NYC in 1885 (Witness for Naturalization Marcus Popper)
1900 Manhattan with son and servant; Brewer; 1910 Census=Bernhard living in Bronx with son Arthur (Salesman)?
married Mary Steinhard b. bef 1900 Wisconsin
a. Arthur Hartman Aug 1879 NYC –
1900 lived in Bronx with father; 1910 Census with father; Sales Fact 2: 1920 Census; Manufacturing Mens Shirts
married Viola b: in New York
i. Benjamin Hartman ca 1917 –
7. Sigmund Hartman 18 Sept 1854 – 4 June 1861 Beschin #38
8. Jacob Hartman 25 June 1856 Bohemia – aft 1930
emig 1868 manufacturer/ art glass
1930 job Sales promotion motion pictures
married 1883 Regina Frisch Sept 1863 Bohemia – aft 1930
emig 1868 1900 census says 3 children/ one living
a. Siegfried Frisch Hartman 19 March 1888 Baltimore MD –
1930 – 205 W. 89th St. NYC; Lawyer – Sailed from Southampton, 1928 with Marion
lived at 1100 Park Ave, his office 39 Broadway
“the family lawyer” per Katie Popper Pollak
married Marion H. 18 October 1892 New York City –
9. Marie Hartman 27 June 1860 – dec.
10. Julia Hartman July 4, 1863 Bieschin, Bohemia ‚Äì Feb 1961 NYC
Emigrated 1867; ‚ÄúAunt Julia‚Äù was Grand President of the United Order of True Sisters (UOTS)
Resided Madison Ave. 1900: 1920 Resided 114th St with son and lodger; 1930 Resided 87th St; 1950 resided 73rd St with daughter; 1955 resided 79th St. with son.
married 1885 to Fredrick Levy (1859 ‚Äì 1914); born USA
1900 Census: Occupation Butcher; 1910 Clothing Manufacturer
a. Blanche Levy (1889 Manhatten ‚Äì1980 Miami Beach)
(Selma had Blanche chaperone Adele on a cruise.)
married 1910 Leo T. Perls; divorced 1932;
I. Janice V. Poliak 1910 Manhatten -1990 Danbury, CT;
ii. Edmund F. Perls 1914 Manhatten ‚Äì 2004 Bradenton, FL.
married 1955 Samuel Goldstein; divorced 1962.
b. David F. Levy 1891 Manhattan ‚Äì 1961 Manhatten
1910 Salesman; lived with parents;
1920 Silk Salesman 1930 Sales Manager; 1940‚Äôs Benrose Fabrics
1940‚Äôs Resided 124 W. 79th St.
married Victorine Mayer. (1895 Germany ‚Äì 1992)
i. Anne Levy Rudolph1925 ‚Äì
11. Josephine Hartman 1864 Bieschin, Bohemia – dec
1900 Resided E. 4th St.; 1910 resided 19th St.- 1930 lived with daughter Irma and family on West End Ave. – Took several cruises to Europe; in 1912 with Hermina
married 1886 Hugo Lederer 1852 Austria – bef 1910 banker
a. Hermina Lederer 1886 Manhattan –
b. Elsa Lederer 1887 Manhattan – bef 1920
c. Irma Lederer 1889 Manhattan –
married Julius Marcus 1883 – Importer
i. Dorothy Marcus 1916 Manhattan –
ii. Elsa Marcus 1920 Manhattan –
12. Theresa Hartman 1865 Bieschin, Bohemia –
Adele knew this aunt., 1900 Solomon and Theresa boarded with Anna and Jacob Weiss, Emigtrated in 1865 according to 1900 Census,
married NYC 1890 Solomon G Proops 1865 Manhatten – lived in Brooklyn
son of Isaac and Mathilda Proops
1900 salesman, 1910 Real estate broker, Chemist with extracts worked with son
a. Everett Proops 8 Mar 1901 NYC – June 1986 Charleston SC
Chemist with extracts
10.11.1844 in Bieschin no. 30 was born Sophie Hartman, a legitimate daughter of Karl Hartman, a house-to-house salesman (in German it is hausirer) from Bieschin and Eva Hartman, daughter of Benedikt Stadler from Drosau.
records followed for Bertha, Karolina, Anna 21.3.1850, Katharina, Bernard, Sigmund, Jacob, and Marie.
from HBMa 209 Cachrov (Csachrau in German) births 1840 to 1860
includes also Horzakov, Tajanov, Strazov, Bieschin and other villages.
from research commissioned by Joan Pollak
plus research of Elsa Koestler + comments by Adele Koestler Ehrlich Boskey
1880 Census New York Manhatten dist 271 15 image at ancestry.com 543
Hartmann Charles w m 63 Head liquor store Hungary Hungary Hungary
” Eva w f 56 wife at home paralyzed Austria Austria Austria
” Jacob w m 22 son mixes in distillery Austria Austria Austria
” Julia w f 18 daughter piano teacher Austria Austria Austria
” Josephine w f 16 daughter house work home Austria Austria Austria
” Teresa w f 14 daughter work at Depmaly?? Austria Austria Austria
1870 Census New York Ward 11, Dist 7
John Lefler 28 m liquor dealer Bohemia
Birtha Lefler 23 f Bohenia
Moses ” 4 m NY
Jacob ” 2 m NY
Sarah ” 1 f NY
Anna Hartman 20 f Germany