Capt. John Drew, Patience Brewer & John Webb

Sally’s great-great-great-great-great-Grandparents:

Capt. John Drew ca 1725 – ca 1772 | his parents
& bef 1753 Patience Brewer ca 1730 – ?1797 | her parents
?& ca 1773 John Webb d ca 1785
of Nansemond Co VA


This is my working hypothesis – the way I see it as of this moment!!
– many thanks to David B Gammon –


John Drew married before 18 Dec 1753 Patience Brewer daughter of Thomas Brewer ca 1690 – 1743. Isle of Wight Deed dated Dec 18 1753.
Was the name of Patience’s mother Mary Carey? smk

John Drew son of William Drew ca 1682 – ca 1739 and Judith Wood Nansemond Co, VA was born ca 1726/31 Apparently this John Drew died about 1772.

Apparently also, Patience Brewer Drew married 2nd John Webb, Edgecombe Co who dies in 1785.

Children of John Drew & Patience Brewer :
1. John Drew ca 1750 – 1819
married Winifred Blount Hunter ca 1750 – 1810
2. Dolphin Drew ca 1754 –
? married Isle of Wight 1 Oct 1783 Sarah Ridley
? married Isle of Wight 1 Jan 1791 Peggy Jordan
3. Elizabeth Drew ca 1758 –
married William Roberts d bef 1797
4. Julia Drew ca 1761 –
married Benjamin Hill d 1793
5. William Drew ca 1765 – 8 May 1827
attorney general of NC and legislator
6. Mary Cary Drew 20 April 1770 – 20 April 1858
(1784 Bertie John Mackey, guardian of Mary Cary Drew the orphan of John Drew May 18, 1784, thro 12 May 1785 – Bertie Co.)
Old Trinity Cemetery in Scotland Neck
married aft 12 May 1785 Joseph [Josiah] Hopkins ca 1760 – 1804
married last John Young died 1849 Halifax Co
son of Marmaduke Young and Patience House

Child of Patience Brewer Drew and John Webb:
1. James Webb

Patience Brewer Drew and John Webb had:
1. James Webb
She and husband John Webb apparently lived in the Scotland Neck area in the 1770’s, then settled in Edgecombe, where he died testate about 1785. She apparently survived him many years. In Edgecombe they lived in that area near Lawrence (Killquick to the locals), so it wasn’t far from the Halifax line. His will mentions several sons – John and William, and a married daughter, and then a younger son James Webb who still required a guardian (Patience) well into the 1790’s [DG]
Halifax County Deed Book 18, page 206 – 18 Dec 1791
John Drew of Halifax County to Jos. Hopkins and wife Mary Cary Hopkins of the Town of Edenton. For 50 pounds, 80 acres in Scotland Neck that said Drew had purchased from Patience Webb.
Witnessed by Samuel Peete, William Drew

Halifax County Will Book 5, page 52.
Will of Mary C. Young
14 Nov 1857, May Court 1858
To John Y. Savage – Negroes. Balance of Negroes and perishable estate to be
sold, with money divided as follows: to John Drew (son of Adolphus Drew, my
kinsman) – $600; to William D. Roberts, my kinsman of Virginia – $400; to
N.B. Josey – $100, and my executor is to pay my slaves $100.
Executor – trusty friend Lemuel L. Savage
Witnessed by James A. White, A.F. Harrell

also in plot with John P. Savage at Old Trinity:

Emily A. Drew, died 1840, age 19, wife of B.P. Drew

Claiborne T. Smith Jr in “Drew of Surry County, VA” (Bodie-SHF)(PatienceBrewer Drew ‘s)
…. Wm. Haines of Isle of Wight whose will probated in 1766 mentioned John Drew son of John Drew of Nansemond Co.

On 8-31-1747 the land of John Drew was mentioned in processioning in the Upper Parrish, Nansemond Co. (Vestry Book U. P.)

Patent Book 11 25 Oct 1753 Granville Grant to John Drew for 1512 acres in Edgecombe County adj. John Harrison, Naron’s Corner, Pirant’s line, the Meadow, Eden’s corner, Roanoke River, and a pocoson, being 1512 acres altogether. Of these, 1000 acres were formerly granted to said Drew and the 512 acres is surplus.

8 Dec 1753 Isle of Wight Co Deed [John Drew married Patience, the daughter of Thomas Brewer of Nansemond Co.]

4/438* 9 Mar 1753 John Drew of Nansemond to Arthur Bell of Edgecombe For 70 pounds, 193 acres adj. Nairn and the low ground of the river.
Wit. James Pirant, George Bell, William Goodson.

2/19* 6 Mar 1754 John Drew of Nansemond to John Applewhite of Edgecombe 100 acres at head of Strait Marsh, adj. John Blunt and Crooked Marsh.
Wit. Arthur Bell, William Goodson, William Bell1

2/165* 5 Nov 1754 John Drew & Patience Drew of Nansemond to Joseph Richison of Edgecombe 115 acres adj. root of the Tree Marsh, Straight Marsh, and John Blunt.
Wit. John Appelwhite, Nicholas Hobby, Thomas Kitching

2/180* 31 Jan 1755 John Drew of Edgecombe to Elias George of Surry County VA For 36 pounds, 10 shillings, 275 acres on NS Deep Creek, adj. mouth of Cabin Branch, John Oneals, and the creak, part of a patent to William Cane, 28 Feb 1726, and part of a patent to John Oneals, 2 Aug. 1727
Wit. Joseph Harte, Benjamin Harte, William Batts

In Feb 1755 John Drew and Patience his wife sold land in Edgecombe Co, “inherited from father Wm. Drew” to Joseph Richardson.

6/322 31 May 1758 John Drew of Nansemond to Samuel Gainer of Edgecombe For 30 pounds, 100 acres in Scotland Neck, adj. Foreman.
Wit. Arthur Bell, Thomas Kitchen, William Gainer

8/36 19 Jan 1762 John Drew and wife Patience of Nansemond County VA to Solomon Williams of Halifax Co. For 49 pounds, 15 shillings, a tract of 200 acres on Elk Marsh that Patience had inherited. An inquiry was held to determine if legal damage would result if the land were sold. Since the lands were not contiguous with other Drew lands in Halifax County, permission was given to sell. This land adj. Alexander McCulloch, Hamlin Haynes, William Scoggan, and said Solomon Williams.
Wit. Thomas Kitching, Read Godwin, Hona. Durley.

In June 1771, in Bertie Co, Patience, wife of John Drew, waived a dower right to John Drew’s sale of land in Nansemond Co, VA to Abraham Moor/Maer. (NC Hist & G R 3-449)

Wed after the fourth Tuesday of June 1771 — a motion of Thos Jones Esq attorney for Mr Abraham Maer for a Commn Under the act of Assembly directed to John King & Jonathan Godwin Esqus Justices of Nanceymund County in the colony of Virginia to take the private Examination of Patience Drew the wife of John Drew touching her fee in a deed of bargain & sale from said John Drew & Patiance his wife to Abraham Maer. – Bertie ct min abstract by Haun

Bertie Co Deed Book M – 66 Patience Drew of Virginia to Abraham Mair of Bertie Co 8 Jul 1772. Thomas Brewer in his will dated 11 Aug 1743 devised to sd Patirence Drew 225 acres at the head of Berry Meadow & which was part of 400 acre patent. Following an entail procedure, she was permitted to sell sd land. Jururs were: [list] 40 pounds sterling. Wit: James Mored?, David King, Anthony Roxburg. May Ct 1774. John Johnston CJC

Ann Whiting b Sept 1756 m 1775 Dolphin Drew

The Virginia Gazette, 24 Jan 1777 – John Mackie will sell sundry Negroes belonging to the estates of Capt. John Drew, deceased, at his Scotland Neck Quarter. Included in !8th Century Virginia Newspapers by Robert K Headley Jr.

7 Dec 1780 both John Drew and Dolphin Drew signed petition asking all clerymen to give alleg. to state.

1784 Bertie John Mackey, guardian of Mary Cary Drew the orphan of John Drew May 18, 1784, thro 12 May 1785 – Bertie Co.

6 March 1790 Halifax Co 17/219 Patience Webb of Edgecombe Co. to John Drew of Halifax Co. For 112 pounds, 10 shillings, 75 acres on south side of Roanoke River adj. Cain Branch, Patience Webb, William Boykin.
Wit. William Drew, Blount Joyner, William Boykin

Norfolk Herald & Public Advertiser, 15 Aug 1797 – Reference to a suit filed in the Chancery Court of Nansemond County by Josiah Cowling, administrator of John Mackie, deceased, complainent, against John Drew, Elizabeth Roberts, Julia Hill, Dophin Drew, Josiah [sic] Hopkins and wife Mary Cary Hopkins, and William Drew, the last seven being the defendants. Included in !8th Century Virginia Newspapers by Robert K Headley Jr.

Grandchildren of John Drew and Patience Brewer:
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Elizabeth Drew and William Roberts:
1. Dolphin Roberts 1781/87 –
Halifax Co NC Feb P&Q Ct 1801 – Dolphin Roberts, orphan of William Roberts, dec. came to court and chose John Drue [sic] as his guardian.
2. William Drew Roberts 1786 NC – aft 1856 [Is he identical with Dolphin above?]
Corporal in the War of 1812 in the 2nd Regiment of Norfolk Troop of Cavalry. He was 67 in 1854 and served in 1813

married 11 Dec 1811 Martha Francis Guy 1791/3 – 12 March 1875
dau of Henry Guy
a. William Drew Roberts Jr 1812 – 1855 of yellow fever in Norfolk
b. Anne Eliza Roberts 1823 –
married 2 June 1841 John Meers Hough of Tyrrell Co NC
c. Mary Carey Roberts 1826 –
d. Dolphin Roberts 1827 –
e. Julia Drew Roberts 31 Aug 1829 – 30 Jan 1912
married 1856 John Robert Riddick
f. Christiana Roberts 1831 –

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John Drew and Winifred Blount Hunter had:
1. Mary Carey Drew died 1820 (Bertie County)
married Starke Armistead 1785 – 1835
he married 2nd 2 July 1823 Harriet Bailey Bryan (Granville Co) died 1848
2. Whitmell Drew ca 1760
married 2nd Penelope “Rayner” 1799 – 3 Feb 1880
3. John Drew died 8 March 1818
married 1st ? Miss Peete desc of Samuel Peete?
married 2nd 1802 Lucy Norfleet 1787 – 1805
4. Dolphin Drew died 26 March 1805 New York City
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Dolphin Drew and wives had:
Dolphin Drew in 1810 in Elizabeth Co VA
2 boys under 10 1 male over 45; 3 females under 10, 1 f 26/45 and 4 slaves
?
1. Adolphus Drew
a. John Drew

3 Feb 1801 Dolphin Drew appt g to Rix Jordan orphan of Richard p 591

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William Drew – ca 1770 – 8 May 1827 Halifax Co dsp
In 1792 he became a member of the Royal White Hart Masonic Lodge in Halifax.
He represented the borough of Halifax in the legislature in 1803, 1809, 1813, 1814 and 1816. In 1816 he was elected attorney general of the state, which position he held until November 1825. William Drew acted as attorney for many of the prominent citizens of the area.” He was a enthusiastic breeder and racer of thoroughbred horses. “He never married and became bankrupt shortly before his death. His will, dated 8 Apr 1827 and probated in Halifax in May of that same year, bequeathed his secretary, gold watch, and bedstead “now at Mr Calvert’s in Northampton Court House” to his friend Mrs. Mary Stitch for her kindness and attention to him in his last ill Claiborne T Smith Jr

1815 – “From the borough of Halifax was another distinguished advocate in the person of William Drew. He realized the truth of Dryden’s aphorism as to the close alliance sometimes existing between a great wit and a madman. Such was his eloquence and learning that his eccentricities did not deter him from positions of public trust, and he became Attorney-General at this session.” from John W Moore’s History of North Carolina vol 1 p 477. his ref was “personal observation” — just whose he doesn’t say.

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Mary [Polly] Carey Drew and Joseph Hopkins had:
1. Margaret Hopkins by June 1799 –
John Drew of Halifax County to Jos. Hopkins and wife Mary Cary Hopkins of the Town of Edenton. For 50 pounds, 80 acres in Scotland Neck that said Drew had purchased from Patience Webb.
Witnessed by Samuel Peete, William Drew

Mary Carey Drew d 1858, and John Young d 1849 had:
Halifax County Will Book 5, page 52.
Will of Mary C. Young 14 Nov 1857, May Court 1858
To John Y. Savage – Negroes.
Balance of Negroes and perishable estate to be sold, with money divided as follows:
to John Drew (son of Adolphus Drew, my kinsman) – $600;
to William D. Roberts, my kinsman of Virginia – $400;
To N.B. Josey – $100, and my executor is to pay my slaves $100.
Executor – trusty friend Lemuel L. Savage
Witnessed by James A. White, A.F. Harrell

Hi Sally

I noticed on your website Mary Carey Drew married Young. When she died, she left $400 to William Roberts, her relative in VA. What do you know about William Roberts?

I descend from William Drew Roberts in Norfolk, VA. I found a William D Roberts 64, born about 1786 in NC in the 1850 Norfolk census. In 1856, William Drew Roberts witnessed for a woman to get paid for use of her land in the War of 1812. He said his age was 72.

William Drew Roberts married on 11 Dec. 1811 Martha Francic Guy, b. 1791/3, d. March 12, 1875, in Norfolk and they had children:

William D Jr. 1812-1855 of yellow fever In Norfolk

Anne Eliza b. 1823 married June 2, 1841, to John Meers Hough (They are in several Tyrrell County, NC censuses.)

Mary Carey b. 1626

Dolphin b. 1827

Christiana b. 1831

Julia Drew b. Aug. 31, 1829, married John Robert Riddick in 1856, d Jan 30, 1912.

I appreciate the information you have, and I would be glad to share what I have.

Lucy

  1. Julia P Young ca 1813 – 4 Feb 1875 – age 62
    Old Trinity Cemetery in Scotland Neck
    married John P Savage ca 1814 – 22 Feb 1889 age 75 yrs
    a. John Y. Savage 13 June 1837 – 2 Nov 1920
    married 23 Oct 1866 Della Purvis
    married Nov. 12, 1873[lic] Pattie Josey 1 Sept 1852 – 1 Oct 1880
    i. John Norwood Savage 1878 – 1915
    ii. Meta Savage
    married Mary [Pollie] Knight 18 Sept 1848 – 5 July 1886
    b. Mollie Carey Drew Savage ca 1840 -?
    [1839-1909]
    Married 17 May 1859 James S. Cornick
    c. Margaret Ann Carey Savage ca 1842 – March 26, 1919, age 77
    d. Victoria Albert Savage
    married 21 Nov 1866 Benjamin E. Jewett
    e. Benjamin Oliver Savage bapt May 1850 – buried 8 Jan 1872
    married Annie Baker Nicholls – buried 20 Sept 1871
    Daughter of Jehu Nicholls and wife Mary Johnston

    i. Mary Savage ca 1867 –
    ii. Julia Savage ca 1869 –
    f. Andrew Savage

from the Trinity Parish Register: May 5, 1850
Baptism of Mollie Carey Drew Savage, Margaret Ann Cordey Savage, Victoria
Albert Savage, and Benjamin Oliver Savage, children of John & Julia Savage.
Nov. 28, 1852 – Baptism of Julia Pocahontas Savage
he married 2nd 24 Jan 1878 Margaret A. Parks[Pope] 14 Feb1823 – 29 Oct 1909

Some abstracts of documents from David Gammon:

Halifax County Deed Book 18, page 206 – 18 Dec 1791
John Drew of Halifax County to Jos. Hopkins and wife Mary Cary Hopkins of the
Town of Edenton. For 50 pounds, 80 acres in Scotland Neck that said Drew had purchased from Patience Webb.
Witnessed by Samuel Peete, William Drew

Halifax County Deed Book 18, page 493 – 23 July 1794
John Drew of Halifax County to Polly Carey Hopkins, wife of Joseph Hopkins,
And his daughter Margaret. Certain Negroes by deed dated 31 July 1793, but
the deed was never recorded.
Witnessed by James Williams, Thomas Anderson, A. Brown.

Bertie Co Census 1790
Joseph Hopkins 2 males 16+, one male 16-, four females, two slaves
Halifax Census 1800
Joseph Hopkins 1 male 45+, one female 26/45, nine sl

Will of Joseph Hopkins 30 June 1799 – Aug Ct 1804 Halifax Co NC
– wife Mary Cary Hopkins – negroes & their increase
household & kitchen furniture etc.
– daughter Margarett Hopkins
Wit: Henry Baker, J E Turner, John Drew Jr.
Extr – my wife
Hofmann abstract –

Halifax County Deed Book 22, page 63 – May 1811 (no day given)
John Young and wife Mary of Halifax County to David Clark. For $300, the
said Young and wife release their rights to a particular tract of land that was
conveyed by John Drew Sr. to Capt. Hopkins and his wife Mary (now wife of
John Young) for their lifetime, being 80 acres on the south side of the Cain
Marsh. Since that time, the said John Drew, Sr. has conveyed that same land
to David Clark.
Witnessed by Cary Wiggins, Jeneral Dawson

From Halifax County marriage bonds
Benjamin E. Jewett to Victoria A. Savage, bond dated 14 Nov 1866, marriage
took place 21 Nov 1866 according to minister’s return.

John Y. Savage to Della Purvis, bond dated 22 Oct. 1866; marriage took place
23 Oct 1866 according to minister’s return.

James S. Cornick to Mary C. Savage, marriage took place 17 May 1859,
according to minister’s return.

From my Eastern NC Families, I see that Annie Baker Nicholls (daughter of
Jehu Nicholls and wife Mary Johnston) married Ben O. Savage and predeceased
her father, who died in 1872. I presume this is the Anna Savage mentioned
in the Trinity Cemetery I sent you earlier today.

From the loose estates papers of Halifax County, in the file of Jehu
Nicholls, I see that he had two grandchildren as heirs in 1872 – Mary Savage
(age 5) and Julia Savage (age 3), daughters of Ben O. Savage.

Halifax County Will Book 6, page 442. – Will of Mary C. Savage, “nee Knight.”
18 Nov 1884, Nov. Ct 1886
I wish a tomb to be placed at my grave. After debts are paid, I will the
residue of my estate to my husband John Y. Savage for his lifetime, and then
to our children. If I leave no heirs, my property is to go to Meta Savage
and Norwood Savage, my husband’s children by a former marriage.
Executor – husband
Witnessed by May Beavis and Minnie Edmondson

Halifax County will Book 6, page 548 – Will of John P. Savage
9 Apr 1883, October Court 1889
Lend all my property to my wife Margaret Ann Savage and my daughter Margaret
Ann Savage for their benefit, and my daughter is to have the property at the
death of my wife. Son John Y. Savage – shop fixtures. Son Andrew Savage –
blacksmith tools and fixtures. My wife is to get my son John to render her and my daughter M.A. Savage all assistance possible in collecting claims due me.
Executor – none named
Witnessed by N.B. Josey, Jehu Nicholls, L.W. Bagley

I am looking at the same guardian account that you mentioned, in Bertie County, in which John Mackey was guardian of Mary Cary Drew, orphan of John Drew, and the account runs from 1784 to 1785 and stops. From the above, the John Drew, Sr., who lived for a while in Halifax County and then ended up in Bertie, cannot be the father of this Mary of the guardian account. Who is she?
She is sister to that John Drew.

From Old Trinity Cemetery in Scotland Neck:

Mary C. Young, born April 20, 1776, died April 20, 1858, wife of John Young.

John Y. Savage, born June 13, 1837, died Nov. 2, 1920, son of John P. & Julia
P. Savage.
Pattie Savage, wife of J.Y. Savage, born Sept. 1, 1852, died Oct. 1, 1880.
Pollie Savage, wife of J.Y. Savage, born Sept. 18, 1848 died July 5, 1886.
John Norwood Savage, son of John Y. & Pattie Josey Savage, born 1878, died
1915.

In a nearby plot:

John P. Savage, died Feb. 22, 1889, age 75 years.
Julia P. Savage, wife of John P. Savage, died Feb. 4, 1875, age 62.
Margaret A. Parks Savage, wife of John P. Savage, born Feb. 14, 1823, died
Oct. 29, 1909.
Anna Savage, buried Sept. 20, 1871
B.O. Savage, buried Jan. 8, 1872.
Margaret A. Savage, 1839-1909.
Margaret A. C. Savage, died March 26, 1919, age 77.

Halifax County Will Book 5, page 52.
Will of Mary C. Young
14 Nov 1857, May Court 1858
To John Y. Savage – Negroes. Balance of Negroes and perishable estate to be
sold, with money divided as follows: to John Drew (son of Adolphus Drew, my
kinsman) – $600; to William D. Roberts, my kinsman of Virginia – $400; to
N.B. Josey – $100, and my executor is to pay my slaves $100.
Executor – trusty friend Lemuel L. Savage
Witnessed by James A. White, A.F. Harrell

Halifax County Will Book 4, page 270 – Will of John Young
24 Nov. 1847, Feb. Ct., 1849
– Wife Mary C. Young – Negroes, furniture, and a life estate in all my lands.
– My executors are to hold certain Negroes in trust for the use of Julia P.
Savage, wife of John P. Savage, for her lifetime and with reversion to her
children.
– John Young Savage (son of John P. & Julia P. Savage) is to have
certain Negroes and the land where I now live, except for the life estate of
my wife. If the said John dies underage, this land is to go to his brothers
and sisters.
– Nephew William O. House – land on Cypress Swamp, subject to the life estate of my wife.
– Niece Sally A. House – Negroes.
– To Molly Carey Savage, Margaret A.C. Savage, Victoria Savage, and Benjamin O. Savage (children of John P. Y Julia P. Savage ) – Negroes each.
Executors – friends Thomas Ferrall, W.R. Smith
witnessed by John Edmondson, A.S. Hall

(Note from DBG – John Young was son of Marmaduke Young and Patience House of
Halifax County. His sister Patience Young married first-cousin Turner House
of Bertie and then Pitt County – hence the niece and nephew with surname of
“House.”)

also in plot with John P. Savage at Old Trinity:

Emily A. Drew, died 1840, age 19, wife of B.P. Drew

And from the Trinity PArish Register:

May 5, 1850
Baptism of Mollie Carey Drew Savage, Margaret Ann Cordey Savage, Victoria
Albert Savage, and Benjamin Oliver Savage, children of John & Julia Savage.

Nov. 28, 1852
Baptism of Julia Pocahontas Savage

From 1850 Census of Halifax County House #67
Mary K. Young (sic), age 75, born in Virginia

House #259
John Savage, age 36, coach maker, born Gates County
Julia, age 36, born Virginia
John, age 13
Mary C, age 10
Margaret, age 8

From 1860 Census of Halifax County
House #450
J.P. Savage, age 46, mechanic, born Gates Co.
Julia P., age 47, born Virginia
John W., age 23, mechanic
Margaret A., age 18
Victoria A., age 16
Benjamin O., age 15
Aristona Jones, age 16, mulatto bound laborer

Halifax County marriage licenses

J.Y. Savage to Pattie Josey, Nov. 12, 1873.
John P. Savage, 50, to Margaret A. Pope, 45, Jan. 24, 1878.

New ponderings by David Gammon.
Happy New Year, Sally!

I was reading through your web site recently. I do that a lot. I have never been completely satisfied with my research on the John P. Savage family. He married a lady whose first two names were Julia Pocahontas, and we had concluded that she was the daughter of John Young and Mary Cary Drew. But I was never completely satisfied, because Mary Young’s will didn’t state exactly that she was a daughter – she just left her property.

I think I am on the trail, but have not finished yet, and will let you know when I do. What I suspect is that John Young and Mary Cary Drew had no children. And that Julia Pocahontas was a Drew, and probably a niece of Mary Cary Drew Savage.

I have already proved that John P. Savage was the son of Pryor Savage of Gates County, and that John P. Savage had a sister Margaret Jane Savage who married a Mr. Drew, most likely Dolphin N. Drew who died in Gates County around 1840, leaving two young children – John P. Drew and Julia P. Drew, both of whom were still underage in 1857. (So this means THIS Julia P. Drew is not the one who married John P. Savage.)

I am wondering now if John P. Savage married Julia Pocahontas Drew, and she was the sister of the Dolphin Drew who married Margaret Jane Savage. Sisters and brothers marrying sisters and brothers.

This makes me wonder if Julia Pocahontas Drew and Dolphin N. Drew are the children of Dolphin Drew, who was brother to Mary Cary Drew Savage.

I am just thinking out loud – will get back to you. This family has puzzled me for a long time.

David Gammon

 

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