Sally’s 8-great Grandparents:
Sir John Cotton, knt ca 1587 – bef 1630| his parents
& 1609 Elizabeth Ridge ca 1590 – ca1630| her parents
of Wood Ditton, CBG, England
Working hypothesis – the way I see it as of this moment!!
This John Cotton was a son of Robert Cotton ca 1545, Landwade, CBG, England.
“The will of John Cotton of York County mentioned a brother Thomas and a sister Elizabeth Ashberry. I found a lawsuit against a Walter Pratt filed by Elizabeth (Cotton) Ashberry and her siblings Thomas, Dorothy, and Isabella, children of John Cotton of Woodditton, Cambridgeshire. Family Search shows the christenings of Isabella and Thomas Cotton in Woodditton along with a brother John, born 1619, who was not involved in lawsuit. Cambridge University records show that this John Cotton was a student there from 1640 to 1643.
Woodditton belonged to the Cottons of Landwade.
There is a marriage agreement in 1609 in which Sir John Cotton of Landwade gave Woodditton to his nephew John at the time of his betrothal to Elizabeth Ridge. The younger John was the son of Sir John’s younger brother Robert. At the time the elder John Cotton was in his sixties and was married to his second wife. He had no children by either marriage so I assume he was intending to make his nephew his heir and was starting by giving him the lesser of his three estates – Landwade, Cheveley, and Woodditton. That changed when Sir John’s second wife died and at the age of seventy, he married a twenty something year old woman Ann Houghton by who he had three children. Two died but the surviving son John became his heir and was later made Baronet of Landwade.
Sir John’s brother Robert and Robert’s son John are named in the Landwade Cotton entry of the visitations of Cambridgeshire as well as various other sources.” Michael Cotten –
Known children of JohnCotton and Elizabeth Ridge:
1. Elizabeth Cotton
married Thomas Ashberry
a. John Ashberry
2. Dorothy Cotton.
3. John Cotton ca 1619 – 1683 will York Co VA
4. Isabella Cotton
5. Thomas Cotton [1683 will]
a. John Cotton of Elizabeth City County VA
from e-mail from Jean Tarbell Cotton
Sir John Cotton and Elizabeth Ridge had a daughters Elizabeth, Dorothy and Isabella/Isabel. I have found the Christening records for John, Isabella and Thomas but none for Elizabeth or Dorothy. They must have been the oldest of the children. Anyway, Elizabeth married Thomas Ashbery/Ashberrye:
British National Archives
Short title: Ashberry v Pratt. Plaintiff: Thomas Ashberrye ggent of St Martins in the…
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Reference: C 2/ChasI/A1/64, Description: Short title: Ashberry v Pratt.
Plaintiff: Thomas Ashberrye ggent of St Martins in the Fields, Middlesex, and Elizabeth Ashberrye his wife, and her brother and sisters Thomas Cotton, Dorothy Cotton and Isabel Cotton, son and daughters of Sir John Cotton kt of Wood Ditton, Cambridgeshire, and of Dame Elizabeth Cotton his wife, both deceaseed.
Defendant: Walter Pratt gent of Ditton.
Subject: MONEY WHICH THE SAID DAME ELIZABETH COTTON, DYING 15 YEARS AGO, is said to have entrusted to Pratt for his children’s benefit.
Document type: Bill (6 February 1645) and answer (19 April 1645).
Date: 1645, Held by: he National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record(s), Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
Sally’s 9-great Grandparents:
Sir Robert Cotton, Knight est 1545 -| his parents
& Elizabeth Dodmer ca 1565 – | her parents
of Landwade, CBG, England
of Wooditton, CBG, England
Working hypothesis – the way I see it as of this moment!!
This Robert Cotton was the 2nd son of John Cotton 1512 – 1593 Landwade and Isabell Spencer.
“Sir Robert Cotton the second son, was seated in Wooditton in com. Cantab. and married Elizabeth, daughter and heir to John Dormer, Esq and had prosperity”
The name was Dodmer or Dodmore,
Elizabeth Dodmer was born 31 Aug 1565 the daughter of John Dodmer and Helen Hynde of London. Her parents were married on the 21st day of October in the said year 1555 at the Church of St. Peter the Poor.
Elizabeth was the heir of John Dodmer who died on 9 June 1571.
John Dodmer,Gentleman. Inquisition was taken at the Guildhall, 2 April, 14 Eliz.
[1572], before William Allen, Knight (and others) p. 163: “So seised, the said John, by deed dated 18 October 2 & 3 Philip & Mary (1555), in consideration of a marriage then to be had between himself and Helen Hynde of London, gentlewoman, one of the daughters of Augustine Hinde, Alderman of the City of London, deceased, gave all the said premises to the said Helen for life. [The said deed is here recited in full].
John Dodmer was the son of Sir, Ralph Dodmer, Knt., and Margaret Townsend.
“(Thomas Pope) His second wife was Margaret Dodmer, widow, to whom he was married at London, July the seventeenth, 1536, by license from archbishop Cranmer, authorized by parliament for this purposer. Margaret Dodmer’s maiden name was Townsend, and she was a native of Stamford in Lincolnshires. She was the relict of Ralph Dodmer, mercer and sheriff of London, 1524; afterwards knighted, and mayor of London, 1529. She was married to the said Ralph, by licence from cardinal Wolsey, dated November the twentieth, 1527. By this Sir Ralph Dodmer, she had two sons Ralph and John, both living 1554, and two daughters, Ann and Mary’. By sir Thomas Pope, her second husband, she had only one daughter Alice, born April the sixteenth, 1537, who died very young.”
Children of Sir Robert Cotton & Elizabeth Dodmer:
1. John Cotton ca 1587 –
2. Thomas Cotton
3. Sir Dodmore Cotton died in 1628 in Persia
4. Henry Cotton
5. Elizabeth Cotton
Sir Dodmore Cotton was a British diplomat and the first accredited English Ambassador at the court of King Abbas I of Persia, appointed by Charles I. He died in 1628 in Persia. (Now Iran).
John Dodmer and Ralph Dodmer’s wills can also be downloaded at the British National Archives.
See below the Compilation by Jean Tarbell Cotton, April 2021.
Sally’s 10-great Grandparents:
John Dodmer est 1530 – 1571 | his parents
& 1555 Helen Hynde | her parents
of Putney, Surrey
Working hypothesis – the way I see it as of this moment!!
John Dodmer was the first son of Sir Ralph Dodmer and his wife Margaret nee Townsend.
In 1546 his education was at L. Inn.
John Dodmer married Helen, the daughter of Augustine Hynde, alderman of London. on the 21st day of October in the said year 1555 at the Church of St. Peter the Poor.
John Dodmer died 9 June 1571.
“John Dodmer,Gentleman. Inquisition was taken at the Guildhall, 2 April, 14 Eliz.
[1572], before William Allen, Knight (and others) p. 163: “So seised, the said John, by deed dated 18 October 2 & 3 Philip & Mary (1555), in consideration of a marriage then to be had between himself and Helen Hynde of London, gentlewoman, one of the daughters of Augustine Hinde, Alderman of the City of London, deceased, gave all the said premises to the said Helen for life. [The said deed is here recited in full].
1. Elizabeth Dodmer 31 Aug 1565 –
“Dodmer probably gained his seat for St. Albans through the influence of his step-father Sir Thomas Pope†, who had acquired property there at the dissolution of the monasteries and was a close friend of Sir Nicholas Bacon†, high steward of the borough. His return at a by-election for Grampound was probably due to the 2nd Earl of Bedford, whose religious views he shared.
Dodmer inherited from his father, a brewer, alderman and lord mayor of London, a number of ‘brewhouses’ and other property in Thames Street and the parish of Allhallows. Through Pope he acquired land in Compton, Gloucestershire, and the reversion to monastic estates in Oxfordshire, but he lived at Putney. He is not known to have been called to the bar or to have been in legal practice. He died 9 June 1571. His will, made in April and proved in August the same year, asked ‘my good lord Burghley … according to his accustomed and most godly disposition’, to help the widow to gain the wardship of the heiress Elizabeth, who was only five years old. Dodmer left detailed instructions about the disposal of his London and Surrey property and its furnishings, down to the wainscoting at Putney, ‘fixed with sixpenny nails’. Hogsheads of ‘double double beer’ in his ‘greatest beer brewhouse’ in London were to be shared among his friends. In a long religious preamble, he attacked the ‘usurpation, supremacy and power’ of the ‘pope, high bishop of Rome’, that ‘little horn which shall spring out of the ten horns’ of Daniel’s prophecy, and the Catholic doctrines of purgatory and prayers for the dead. His hope for salvation was founded on the love of God ‘without any desert of man or saint … according to the doctrine of St. Paul’.3
author: N M Fuidge his Notes
1.Did not serve for the full duration of the Parliament. Folger V. b. 298.
2.T. Warton, Life of Sir T. Pope, 161, 185; A. B. Beaven, Aldermen, i. 191, 207; ii. xlviii; LP Hen. VIII, xv. 170; C142/161/108.
3.DNB (Pope, Sir Thomas); mayor’s ct. bk. of St. Albans from 1586, f. 80; C142/160/75, 161/108; LP Hen. VIII , xv. 170; Extracts from the Ct. Rolls of Wimbledon (anon. 1866), pp. 109, 135; Surr. Musters (Surr. Rec. Soc. x), 148; PCC 35 Holney; E150/385/1.
Sally’s 11-great Grandparents:
Sir Ralph Dodmer ca 1500 – 1536| his parents
& 1527 Margaret Townsend d. 1538| her parents
& 1536 Sir Thomas Pope | his parents
of Putney, Surrey
Working hypothesis – the way I see it as of this moment!!
Ralph Dodmer was the son of Henry Dodmer of Pickering-Leigh, Yorkshire. ,
Ralph Dodmer was first a Brewer. Queenhithe 1521-3. Vintry 1523-32.
(Jean Tarbell Cotton- My Note: on the above)
In 1521 Dodmer was elected as an alderman for Queenhithe, but before he could take office, he was asked to translate from the Brewers to one of the Twelve Great Companies. Upon his election, he refused to translate. The other aldermen refused to allow him to take office until he had translated to a higher company. To emphasize their point they ordered him to be placed in the custody of one of the Sheriffs of London. Dodmer’s resolve collapsed and he translated to the Mercers on November 7, 1521 and was allowed to take his office.
1524, Ralph Dodmer was a mercer and sheriff of London.
He was afterward knighted and was the mayor of London in 1529.
Ralph Dodmer and Margaret Townsend were married by license from cardinal Wolsey dated 20 November 1527.
Margaret Townsend was a native of Stamford in Lincolnshire
Children of Sir Ralph Dodmer & Margaret Townsend:
1. John Dodmer. ca 1528 – living 1554
2. Ralph Dodmer living 1554
3. Ann Dodmer
4. Mary Dodmer
Ralph Dodmer died on the 1536.
Margaret married next 17 July 1536 Sir Thomas Pope.
Margaret died on the sixteenth day of January 1538.
‘With this lady Margaret, sir Thomas Pope seems to have lived in the greatest harmony and happiness; for in his Will he mentions with much affection, “her womanlie behaviour, trewth, and honestie, used towards me,” and makes this the sole cause of his kind remembrances and gifts to her son; beseeching his executors, and ho|norable friends, to treat all her children as his own.’
Child of Margaret Townsend and Sir Thomas Pope
1. Alice Pope 16 April 1537 – died very young
“(Thomas Pope) His second wife was Margaret Dodmer, widow, to whom he was married at London, July the seventeenth, 1536, by license from archbishop Cranmer, authorized by parliament for this purposer. Margaret Dodmer’s maiden name was Townsend, and she was a native of Stamford in Lincolnshires. She was the relict of Ralph Dodmer, mercer and sheriff of London, 1524; afterwards knighted, and mayor of London, 1529. She was married to the said Ralph, by licence from cardinal Wolsey, dated November the twentieth, 1527. By this Sir Ralph Dodmer, she had two sons Ralph and John, both living 1554, and two daughters, Ann and Mary’. By sir Thomas Pope, her second husband, she had only one daughter Alice, born April the sixteenth, 1537, who died very young.”
Subject: Sir. Robert Cotton, Knight. and Elizabeth Dormer of Family #7 in the Cotten/Cotton Y-DNA Project
Compiled by Jean Tarbell Cotton, April 2021
In ‘The Visitation of Cambridge, 1575 and 1619”, St. George, Sir Henry, London, 1897, p 22, Sir. Robert Cotton, Knt. is listed with wife, Elizabeth, daughter, and Heir of John Dormer in a pedigree chart.
“English Baronetage: Containing a Genealogical and Historical Account of All the English Baronets now Existing”, Vol II, London, 1741, pp 195-199 (google book), gives an account of the ‘Cottons of Landwade”. Page 197, Sir Robert Cotton the second son, was seated in Wooditton in com. Cantab. and married Elizabeth, daughter and heir to John Dormer, Esq and had prosperity
“The Visitation of Cambridgeshire” states she was daughter and Heir of John Dormer, ‘Heir’ inferring that she was the only living child of John Dormer upon his death
. . . . . . . .
In the Visitation of Cambridge, Sir. Robert Cotton, Knt. and wife Elizabeth have the following children listed: John, Thomas, Dormer, Henery and Elizabeth.
Among the children listed above is Dormer Cotton. His name was not Dormer; His name was Dodmere or Dodmore.
Source: ‘Calendar of State Papers, Colonial Series, East Indies and Persia, 1630 – 1634, Preserved in the Public Record Office and the India Office’, London, 1892, p. 128 (Google Book)
The History of Parliament Online, (in regards, to Sir John Cotton, father of Sir Robert Cotton, Knt.) From the following source:
‘The History of Parliament: The House of Commons 1509-1558’ ed. S.T. Bindoff, 1982
Sir John Cotton made his will 8 Feb 1593, died on the following 21 Apr. and was buried in Landwade church, where monuments commemorate him and his wife. After charitable gifts and legacies to friends, relatives and servants, he left £100 to each of his two surviving younger sons, £200 to his grandchildren by his son Robert, and the residue to his eldest son John, the sole executor. A verbal codicil made five weeks before Cotton’s death purported to transfer the £200 left to his grandchildren to their father but was later held invalid; probate of the will was granted on 21 June 1594. (6) Transactions of the Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire Archaeological Society Volume: 4.5 (1921), p 122
An image of the will can be viewed and downloaded, for free, if you are a registered user at the British National Archives.
Sir Dodmore Cotton was a British diplomat and the first accredited English Ambassador at the court of King Abbas I of Persia, appointed by Charles I.
He died in 1628 in Persia. (Now Iran).
Dodmore’s name is listed at least 3 times along with the other children of
Sir Robert Cotton. At no time was he called Dormer.
“Calendar of the Laing Charters, A.D. 854-1837: Belonging to the University of Edinburgh”,
Edited by the Rev. John Anderson, Edinburgh, 1899, p 379, 1562, internet archive
1562. 19th October 1609.] Indenture between Sir John Cotton of Landwade, in the county of Cambridge, knight, of the first part, and John [Ridge], bishop of Norwich,………… to go to Sir John Cotton (younger), his heirs, etc., failing whom, to this granter and his heirs etc., failing whom, to Sir Robert Cotton, etc., then to Thomas Cotton, his second son, then to Dodmere Cotton, third son of Sir Robert,……………Executed in triplicate, 19th October 1609 [587, Box 17.
Again, Dodmere is listed and not Dormer.
Back to “The Visitation of Cambridge”: In small print, written in italics, after John Dormer’s name is vel Dadmer. A ‘google’ search reveled that ‘vel’, in Latin, means ‘or’. So, his name was listed as Dormer ‘or’ Dadmer.
‘Abstracts of Inquisitions Post Mortem for the City of London’, Part II. 4-19 Elizabeth 1561-1577, Tudor Period, Sidney J. Madge, 1901, p 162-163
John Dodmer,Gentleman .Inquisition taken at the Guildhall, 2 April, 14 Eliz . [ 1572], before William Allen, Knight (and others) p. 163: “So seised, the said John, by deed dated 18 October 2 & 3 Philip & Mary (1555), in consideration of a marriage then to be had between himself and Helen Hynde of London, gentlewoman, one of the daughters of Augustine Hinde, Alderman of the City of London, deceased, gave all the said premises to the said Helen for life. [The said deed is here recited in full].
The said John married the said Helen on the 21st day of October in the said year at the Church of St. Peter the Poor….John Dodmer died 9 June last past; Elizabth Dodmer is his daughter and next heir and was aged 6 years on the last day of August last past. The said Helen, late the wife of John Dodmer still survives in London.”
Elizabeth Dodmer, born about 1566, per John Dodmer’s i.p.m.above, was the daughter and Heir of John Dodmer, not Dormer.
John Dodmer was the son of Sir Ralph Dodmer, Knt., and Margaret Townsend.
John Dodmer and Ralph Dodmer’s wills can also be downloaded at the British National Archives.
“The Aldermen of the City of London”, vol. II, by the Rev. Alfred B. Beaven, Eden Fisher & Co., Ltd., London, 1913, Chronological List of Aldermen
Notes on the Aldermen: Sir Ralph Dodmer, Brewer Queenhithe 1521-3. Vintry 1523-32.
Walbrook 1532-6, Sheriff 1524-5. Mayor 1529-30. Translated to Mercers 7 Nov 1521. Knighted 1529 (bef Dec 2); Auditor 1529-31; Master Mercers 1523. Died ca Apr 1536; Will (PCC 35 Hogen) cod. 15 Apr; proved 28 Jun 1536.
See vol. I, p. 33 of this work, for his refusal to accept translation to one of the greater Companies on his election as Alderman until he had been committed to the custody of one of the Sheriffs. His daughter married Sir Thomas Pope, founder of Trinity College, Oxford.
(Jean Tarbell Cotton- My Note: on the above)
In 1521 Dodmer was elected as an alderman for Queenhithe, but before he could take office, he was asked to translate from the Brewers to one of the Twelve Great Companies. Upon his election, he refused to translate. The other aldermen refused to allow him to take office until he had translated to a higher company. To emphasize their point they ordered him to be placed in the custody of one of the Sheriffs of London. Dodmer’s resolve collapsed and he translated to the Mercers on November 7, 1521 and was allowed to take his office. His daughter did not marry Sir Thomas Pope; His widow, Margaret, married Sir Thomas Pope.)
‘The life of Sir Thomas Pope: founder of Trinity College Oxford. Chiefly compiled from original evidences. The second edition was corrected and enlarged, Warton, Thomas, 1728-1790. p 185
“(Thomas Pope) His second wife was Margaret Dodmer, widow, to whom he was married at London, July the seventeenth, 1536, by licence from archbishop Cranmer, authorised by parliament for this purposer. Margaret Dodmer’s maiden name was Townsend, and she was a native of Stamford in Lincolnshires. She was the relict of Ralph Dodmer, mercer and sheriff of London, 1524; afterwards knighted, and mayor of London, 1529. She was married to the said Ralph, by licence from cardinal Wolsey, dated November the twentieth, 1527. By this Sir Ralph Dodmer, she had two sons Ralph and John, both living 1554, and two daughters, Ann and Mary’. By sir Thomas Pope, her second husband, she had only one daughter Alice, born April the sixteenth, 1537, who died very young.”
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004896874.0001.000/1:11?rgn=div1;view=fulltext
See the short ‘Bio’ of John Dodmer at the History of Parliament Online below
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/dodmer-john-1571
Finally, there is a suit listed at the British National Archives which reinforces the fact that Elizabeth’s maiden name was Dodmer/Dodmore and not Dormer.
The National Archives, Short title: Weoley v Cotton. Plaintiffs: Anthony Weoley, son and heir of Thomas Weoley, (Ordering and viewing options This record has not been digitized and cannot be downloaded.)
Plaintiffs: Anthony Weoley, son and heir of Thomas Weoley, gent of Campden.
Defendants: Sir Robert Cotton kt, Elizabeth Cotton his wife, formerly Elizabeth Dodmore, Thomas Cotton and Henry Cotton his sons, Thomas Bowler his servant, and others.
Subject: Forcible entry and seizure of horses at Little Compton, collusive sale thereof at Warwick, and challenge. Gloucestershire, Warwickshire. Barnes category: dueling; destruction of property; unlawful assembly.
Date: 1617 Nov
Held by: The National Archives, Kew, Legal status: Public Record(s)
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description,
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5575945